Novigrad[]
"includes Novigrad"? Actually I thought Novigrad was a free city, neither part of Temeria, nor Redania, though geographically in Redania. Imho Oxenfurt and Novigrad are in Redania, on the other side of Pontar river, not in Velen. Though I can be mistaking. - John Miles (talk) 18:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. SMiki5five (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I think you are confusing politics and game areas, but i'm willing to entertain the argument. My logic was that when i look at the map of Velen, Novigrad and Oxenfurt are on it — Game widow (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, even if that's so - I still think that the lore has a priority over the game. Even if they're shown on the map of Velen (I have to check it though) that doesn't make them part of this province. Imho there should be just a note, as we usually do (tw3 section): in TW3 these cities you can see on the map of Velen game region, etc. So, I personally think that's a mistake, but of course it's up to you to decide. - John Miles (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm ok with that, i've changed the wording, but feel free to change it further — Game widow (talk) 21:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, even if that's so - I still think that the lore has a priority over the game. Even if they're shown on the map of Velen (I have to check it though) that doesn't make them part of this province. Imho there should be just a note, as we usually do (tw3 section): in TW3 these cities you can see on the map of Velen game region, etc. So, I personally think that's a mistake, but of course it's up to you to decide. - John Miles (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I think you are confusing politics and game areas, but i'm willing to entertain the argument. My logic was that when i look at the map of Velen, Novigrad and Oxenfurt are on it — Game widow (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- From the looks of it, the developers haven't distinguished politics/lore from game geography in the fast travel and map UI. Much like White Orchard (technically a village), a simple label is applied to the whole region for the sake of accessibility (safe to assume that Geralt would ignore political borders anyway :). The positioning of Redanian troops and Nilfgaardian forward elements more accurately indicate the degree of border control exerted by both sides, although flow of the war's course in the west is fluid. I've clarified the portion and position of Velen relative to the cities to reflect this. DunBanner (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, I think I finally got what all this fuss was about. Actually, I understood that some time ago, but decided to write now. :) The thing is that "when i look at the map of Velen, Novigrad and Oxenfurt are on it" - well... you're not looking at the map of Velen. :) Yes, yes, I'm not crazy. I haven't seen anywhere in the game the title of this map that we're talking about. Yes, when you click on "Velen" on the world map - you see this huge map with Crow's Perch, Novigrad, Oxenfurt, etc... BUT when you click on "Novigrad" on the world map - you see the same huge map with Crow's Perch, Novigrad, Oxenfurt, etc. So, what I am saying: "when you look at the map of Velen", you're looking not at the "map of Velen", you're looking at the "map of Velen and Novigrad". I also saw that on many game sites (e.g. http://witcher3map.com/ - rather useful one btw), and I actually share this view. CDPR never ment to make Novigrad or Oxenfurt part of Velen, they're just located on the same map. If they've put Skellige on the same unified huge world map, for example, that wouldn't make Skellige part of Velen either. They just share the same map which is called "Velen and Novigrad" (if we ever saw its title), not "just Velen"... that's what I think... uffff... needed to say that, kept that inside for too long... :)) - John Miles (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've seen the maps you refer to, and i understand the naming. The real question is how do we deal with it here. I'm fine with referring to the map as the map of Velen and Novigrad (and frankly, Oxenfurt, because Oxenfurt is not part of Novigrad either). The quest is where does one draw the line? we could call the larger map "Velen, Oxenfurt and Novigrad" (and maybe Vizima?), since that's accurate. I'd like to call it the "continent", but that is definitely not accurate, if for no other reason than KM is not part of it and most certainly on the continent. Another possibility is calling it the "main" Witcher map, but again, not great. Whichever way we decide to proceed, we should decide on one term / title. — Game widow (talk) 02:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe call it "The Pontar Region" or "Pontar Delta"? That would be quite accurate. To the south of Pontar is Velen province of former Temeria, to the north Novigrad and Oxenfurt. What we see on this map is actually the Pontar river and its delta with neighboring regions. PS. Hmmmm... actually about a year ago SMiki5five came to the same conclusion and posted preliminary version of this map in Pontar Delta. Strange that I noticed that only now. We already had an answer about a year ago. :) So in my opinion it would be correct to call "Velen" only that part of the map that is south of Pontar, everything to the north (including Oxenfurt) is Redania (not Velen), besides Novigrad, which is kind of "city state". - John Miles (talk) 08:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
- Either of those seems fine. We can just make sure that searching for Velen, or Novigrad or Oxenfurt, etc gets useful hits. — Game widow (talk) 21:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- 1. Yay! She's back! ^_^ 2. Yeah, I think we should leave detailed Velen page, just clean it up from Redania and Novigrad stuff. - John Miles (talk) 22:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- Works for me :) — Game widow (talk) 22:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe call it "The Pontar Region" or "Pontar Delta"? That would be quite accurate. To the south of Pontar is Velen province of former Temeria, to the north Novigrad and Oxenfurt. What we see on this map is actually the Pontar river and its delta with neighboring regions. PS. Hmmmm... actually about a year ago SMiki5five came to the same conclusion and posted preliminary version of this map in Pontar Delta. Strange that I noticed that only now. We already had an answer about a year ago. :) So in my opinion it would be correct to call "Velen" only that part of the map that is south of Pontar, everything to the north (including Oxenfurt) is Redania (not Velen), besides Novigrad, which is kind of "city state". - John Miles (talk) 08:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
- Erm... will you do that?.. :) Kind of "global" edit, don't want to mess up. - John Miles (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- OK :D — Game widow (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've started this page, which hopefully helps a bit — Game widow (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, it does. - John Miles (talk) 19:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've started this page, which hopefully helps a bit — Game widow (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
The Witcher 2[]
In case it was not mentioned. Velen first time appears in conversation between Iorveth and Geralt near Loc Muinne by the start of Chapter III in second game. --— Juraj103 (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)